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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 12, 2006 10:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

>>>"monster" is in the eye of the beholder i suspect. Wanna real monster? Go to Hammas or Hezbollah and get a Koran force fed down your throat or your head sawed off. >>>

Do you know that Hamas was funded early on by the gov't of Israel and that Hezbollah formed as a response to Israeli invasion and occupation that never ended? Perhaps you're able to drive on the Jewish-only roods in West Bank Palestine.

I'm not able , and I don't appreciate foul descriptions of Jesus and Mary by certain rabbis -- while of course recognizing that all Jews are not Nazis and all Israelis are not thieves and liars. After all I live in the modern empire and have read Norman Finkelstein and Israel Shahak. Go look up the Lavon Affair if you want to see how governments work.

I gotta get back to unsual occurrences in the desert and try to make out why Garcia was saying Allah.



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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 13, 2006 6:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

all i know is that Christians and Jews are much more civilized in how they "push" their religion at least in the last century. While the Christians do wish to preach the gospel to the whole world, there is waaaaay more violence by radical Islam with bordering countries all around the world. Some Christians may tell you if your not "born again" you'll go to hell after you die, Radical Islam will kill you before you die! And enslave you with Shiria law (or however it's speled) against your will. Read the text books that Saudi gradeschool kids are taught out of even NOW, VERY anti-jew and any other religion for the matter + and still being taught HATE for them. Violent religious intolorance is much more prevelent in Islam than any other religion imo, with it's "Martyers" and pure hate speech.
When will Islam have a reformation and just get along with the west? I'm not holding my breath... (except for better things) Very few, if any people blow themselves and others up in the name of Jesus. Tim McVay may have been "Christian" at one time, but he had mideast help imo,
I don't think Bush has a clue...nor the administrations before him, on the true threat of radical Islam. The CHILDREN have to be taught to love one another, and be tolerent. The word "Peace" to many muslims mean a peaceful Islamic world- after the infidels (most of us) are either converted or ungratefully dead. In the light of all that (sounds great in my head-lol) being "mad" at Bobby is the least of my worries-ha! (i had to somehow tie this rant into the thread)
My answer? Dose the mideast and all world and religious leaders with at least 3,000mg of LSD/person -crazy, perhaps but "out of the box" lol

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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 13, 2006 11:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

>>>all i know is that Christians and Jews are much more civilized in how they "push" their religion at least in the last century.>>>

I't doesn't that religion has much to do with really. The system of the empire is not entirely one of pure force, but of propaganda mixed with truth to take advantage of human desire and fear. They are very slick, in that most people exist in a matrix of concensus reality without realizing that inhumane forces guide economic development.

Do people really believe that ketchup is a proper vegetable for poor children, that American nuns can be raped and murdered by the Contras because they are 'real' nuns, that there shouldn't be a peace dividend after the fall of the Russians.

The West have run amok on the world since 1492 in so many cruel ways, from mass genocide to slavery to economic slavery to support of tyrannical regimes. Someday this darkness of OURS has got to give.

We should worry about the plank in our eye, not the speckled flaw in our brother's eye -- this is what Jesus said right?


>>>Radical Islam will kill you before you die! And enslave you with Shiria law (or however it's speled) against your will. Read the text books that Saudi gradeschool kids are taught out of even NOW, VERY anti-jew and any other religion for the matter + and still being taught HATE for them.>>>

Sharia law doesn't apply to non-Muslims. Radicals in Islam only are a warped mirrored of response to tyranny. I doubt you know too well what is taught in Arabia, where the Saudi regime would not be exist without US troops and support.

We here grew up with lies in our schoolbooks, as show in James Loewens' "Lies My Teacher Told Me" and Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States" which is really good despite the title.


>>>Violent religious intolorance is much more prevelent in Islam than any other religion imo, with it's "Martyers" and pure hate speech.>>>

That's quite a claim. People in Muslim countries defend themselves; they aren't in charge of a global empire. Free Tibet is a tall order, but there's no oil there I guess.


>>>>Tim McVay may have been "Christian" at one time, but he had mideast help imo, I don't think Bush has a clue...nor the administrations before him, on the true threat of radical Islam.>>>>

It seems like the neocons got to you. We have plenty of homegrown issues. Reagan unleased the militias and our government committed crimes against MOVE in Philly, that KKK family in Idaho[?], and against the innocent of the David Koresh followers. There is no such thing as collateral damage -- murder is murder.

They even have to manufacture threats like the Miami 7, who wanted to destroy the Sears Tower and fight the govt in a ground war -- if only the FBI would give them shoes.

There's little that radical Islam can do to hurt the US, but we seems quite capable of destroying the good parts of what Americans before us struggled for. I think the town has reason to be nervous and they are poisoning us with words, to quote Dylan.

The whole thing in Lebabnon can easily be seen as a neocon chickenhawk project to rescue their power from be lost in the next few elections.

There's serious stuff in those GD songs. The messengers' job is to shed light and not to master. Please don't get zombified!


>>>The CHILDREN have to be taught to love one another, and be tolerent. The word "Peace" to many muslims mean a peaceful Islamic world- after the infidels (most of us) are either converted or ungratefully dead.>>>

Are you serious? Most people want to live in peace and actually have to trained to overcome instincts against killing other people. I think the ADULTS need more work.

A cursory glance at Islam shows that forced conversion isn't allowed -- because they don't want hypocrits. You can have your religion and it's laws. I don't know about the radical sects but they don't represent history or practice of Muslims.

I think there's much more to fear from Christians on this point, given trends and history. Jewish people should remain very wary of the Christian Right, and all of us should be concerned about the development of a system of Anti-Christ.


>>My answer? Dose the mideast and all world and religious leaders with at least 3,000mg of LSD/person -crazy, perhaps but "out of the box" lol>>

In my case I needed a big dose of light, and few friends at hand, to break the seal on my heart. But maybe that's just me. Everyone should be experienced, not necessarily stoned...but beautiful. Peace!

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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 13, 2006 1:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

BTW, I think that R. Crumb's take on Philip K. Dick is instructive:
http://www.philipkdickfans.com/weirdo.htm

Ancient footprints are everywhere.
You can almost think that you're seein' double

It's only been 50 years of voting rights, and though voting doesn't have a big effect, let's hope it lasts!

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 13, 2006 2:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads mad at Israel?

I could take you to task on most every point you made here. I've heard and studied them all. from both sides.
I'm sure if there is an anti-christ, he'll raise from Iran. The "Christian right" is the best friend Israel has,
Maybe not the "New York" liberal Jews, but Israel. I was raised a Catholic and later converted to the born again Christianity, but now i am a Frizbetarian.

Militant Islam is not a response to our "tyranny" they define tyranny as ANY sytem not their own...HELLO!!!
They define "peace" as ridding the world of ANY system except their own. The USA has ton's of religious tolorance and freedom.
Try going to Iran or Saudi Arabia and sharing Jesus or practicing any other religion other than Islam. They are very intolerant. It's a propaganda lie that they are just freedom fighters, fighting our "tyranny" as you put it.
The Islamofacists (or Islamonatzi's-if the other term ooooofends you-lol) have direct connections to Adolph and the pit of hell/pure evil. They have an agenda of world dominance. They will lie and deceive the infidel anyway possible. If you are not "awake" to that, then you are a tool. A ray of hope was when a good Muslim actually turned in the bad one's in England. The bad one's are Intolerance Incarnate. Period. Look at ANY country run by secular Islam, they make war on their neighbors no matter what their belief system is. It has nothing to do with Israel except to misdirect their true intolerant Jihad against
A-N-Y O-N-E not like them. Chop-chop to gays, atheists, jews, christians, hindu's and if they can't fight them, they're fighting each other. Evil & Hate incarnate.
A real no-brainer. I suppose you think Hugo Chavaz, dumb yong kim and castro are at all cool?? hope not, then you'd be a total spaced moron and tool of evil. But i have hope.
true peace, bro!

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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 14, 2006 3:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads mad at Israel?

>>>I'm sure if there is an anti-christ, he'll raise from Iran. The "Christian right" is the best friend Israel has>>>

With friends like those, and the apartheid regime of the past South Africa, you really have to wonder! Who's to say that even if the anti-Christ does come from Iran, he won't have come from Israel or the US before that: "Got to be good looking 'cause he's so hard to see...Come together right now over me."



>>Militant Islam is not a response to our "tyranny" they define tyranny as ANY sytem not their own...HELLO!!! >>>

Right but the problem is who does the defining. I awoke to a realization once when I noticed that 3 Jewish people were discussing the future of Palestine on a network news show. How could they think they could have an earnest conversation without a representative Palestinian? I then wondered why I never noticed any of this.

In a similar way I had to be told blankly that the reason they sent the teacher into space over the objection of NASA scientists was that Reagan was supposed to talk to her during his State of the Union talk and they delayed of already too much.

I do think that the US is more "Muslim" than Muslim countries in terms of normative Islam's views of religious tolorance and freedom. But that doesn't mean they hate us because of our freedom! Have you heard of the World Bank, the IMF, the Pentagon, Hollywood? Pacino's main speech in ‘Devil’s Advocate’ was spot on.



>>>The Islamofacists...have direct connections to Adolph and the pit of hell/pure evil. They have an agenda of world dominance. >>>

Yes you do have to demonize and dehumanize your enemy before you commit atrocities. Unfortunately for the good people of the US, our stated 'defense' strategy is full spectrum dominance, or total information and domination.

If you want a balanced view of the main wingnut factions check out 'The Power Of Nightmares' on Archive.org or on Youtube and the others. 'They' (and They Live, those Sutherland/Shrub-type Puppet Masters) refused to listen to my aunts and uncles on Vietnam, and since have taken this country and to the world to a bucketload of trouble. The movie Syriana isn't perfect but I couldn't help but to wonder why, since the 60s esp, the establishment have put barriers to change that are required for peace and even the survival of humans.

Garcia said sure save the rainforests, and it seems by extension all the souls that will listen, but as he said it's a "sick game." If you guys are angry with God for giving the Arabs and Muslims most of the oil, ask God for something better. But it's not OUR oil.

There's dream you can still believe, and I wish it for you.


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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 14, 2006 3:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads mad at Israel?

"Yes you do have to demonize and dehumanize your enemy before you commit atrocities"
Which the Islamofacists do all too well! "Infidels, hated Jews" Their hatred and evil do dehumanize them-great point, spaced!
I don't even think the JapaneseShinto extremists of WW2, would use belt bombs to murder innocent men, women & children. Indeed, those types are subhuman scum.

Ever see the WW2 cartoons we had of the evil(Jew killing)Germans and bucktoothed Japs? (as they were refered to then) to make them the focus of our contempt. They earned it!
The cartoons were great to galvanize the war effort and such cartoons of the present day's Natzi's would be excellent now. They are fighting for NO ONES freedom, unless it's their warped freedom of an Islamic world.
They practice religious intolerance and are evil scum. Do you believe good and evil are simply religious terms? If so, you are a spaced dumbass and a tool of the evil you deny. But I know you're more intelligent than that. I know first hand how "tolerent" the Hammas/Hezbollah nuthugger demonstrators are in San Francisco. True peace brother!

Semper fi ! http://www.protestwarrior.com/



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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 15, 2006 12:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads mad nazis?

Islamofacists? Is there some place where I can pick up the list of GPO talking points? Being a witting tool of propaganda is short sighted scarlet. The tighter you squeeze, the more it will slip through your hands.

Sadly, nazis of all stripes are human. Maybe when my turn comes I will have guessed the difference of heaven from hell, or a smile from a veil.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 14, 2006 5:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads mad at all nazis?

i've used that correct term for 3 years now. Study the link between Natzi Germany and the Jihadists.
you've been hand fed by hate amerika yahoo's, prof's with an anti-amerikan agenda and by self-hate. I am proud to be an American with it's freedom's and liberty. A lot of the "world" is plain jealous and that's a fact.
We have evolved while they(Jihadists) swim in de-evolution.

Wave that flag, wave it wide and high.
Summer time done, come and gone my oh my

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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 14, 2006 6:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads confused by idiots?

>>A lot of the "world" is plain jealous and that's a fact.
We have evolved while they(Jihadists) swim in de-evolution. >>

Have you no shame? That's right slowly enter the trap of propaganda and lies. Your can try to appease demons all you want, but every dog has his day. I'd rather live in a graceful empire in slow decline than in the hell police state both the "Jihadists" and the neocon/christian-right axis want.

Someday you won't have any good people left, then go ahead, die happily ever after. When the times comes, you'll know that most people -- and Muslims are people -- don't want war. God willing, I ain't gonna be treated thata way.

Now, which country and countries builds most of the weapons in the world and sells them to their tyrannical puppets?

Which country has the biggest stockpile of weapons of mass destruction? Has a bigger military budget than just about the rest of the world combined? Uses the lion's share of the world's resources? Has citizens that are hoodwinked by desire and fear so that the spider sucks the life right out of their reserves?

Which country has foolish citizens that think they're living in a free paradise but don't even have fair elections? Summertime done come and gone alright. I'm sorry but fire is the devil's only friend because he won't be a friend.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 14, 2006 8:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads confused by idiots?

are you fuckin serious??? go live in france you anti-american liberal loser. you have no right to be here with those comments. we are the greatest country in the world. nuclear and weapon stockpiles?? - damn strait - that is the only thing allowing you to type on this forum. be thankful for what you have or leave!!!!! don't give me those pathetic gd lyrics if you don't love america and all that it stands for. you have no clue my dear friend - no clue - you need to leave us.
you have to be the most clueless person i have had a discussion with on this forum. you are either under the age of 20 or just a plain moron. live in the real world my friend.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 14, 2006 11:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads confused?

>>>you are either under the age of 20 or just a plain moron.>>>

One way or another...I gotta get a life.

Nuclear weapons allow me to post on this forum? God, no wonder Grateful Dead is just the Dead. I had come back to moderate my comments, but your comments in another post indicate strongly that there's a seal over the eye of your heart:

Poster: direwolf0701 Date: August 15, 2006 03:44:26am
"Alhtough, as long as this country is 50+ percent white caucasion - i will go for it."

I'm not sure if there's an antidote for zombie racism or even if you went to shows. HA, is this all you have: "don't give me those pathetic gd lyrics."

You could be a paid agent to monitor and act as a provacateur. Your only response, "greatest country in the world" proves nothing except an inability to deal with this factual reality. I was born here from generations of "white" people born here and don't want to see it completely ruined by willful cretins.

Many see the latest Israeli actions as a neocon plan to save their investment in the GOP. Try "Bush's Belief in a Worldwide Islamist Conspiracy is Foolish and Dangerous" by Max Hastings at www.commondreams.org or the latest on 'prepping' for Iran before Bush leaves office from Seymour Hersh at www.newyorker.com. Democracy Now! already has Hersh's reaction to the White House response.


My GD experience was like a table spread with food from heaven -- what a trip -- and it is only a fool who can deny grace and risk wrath. See how they run like pigs from a gun, see how they fly: do you think Babylon is in Iraq?!


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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Aug 14, 2006 5:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads mad at Israel?

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Winston Churchill

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 14, 2006 5:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads mad at Israel?

excellent! Churchill had to face a lot of Natzi appeasement-

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Aug 14, 2006 7:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads mad at Israel?

This whole political thread gets a big WTF from yours truly. I am, however, pleased at the political diversity shown among the posters. I offer another quote, attributed to Churchill that might offer some insight.

Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.

I would be over 30. Way over.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 14, 2006 7:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads mad at Israel?

spaced must be lost somewhere in between - he has not heart nor no brains. in other words, he must be French!! go to the Eifel Tower and take a plunge dear Spaced - you know not what you are talking about. GD lyrics do not make one's life - if you think so, you are more lost that you even know. i feel sorry for you - please watch the news/cnn/msnbc or something and learn about the world around you rather than quoting Eyes or some other utopian claptrack - that is not the world we live in.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Aug 15, 2006 7:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads mad at Israel?

Freedom is the ability to listen to the Dead or Rush Limbaugh on your XM radio. Now, how can that not be the greatest country in the world, I ask you.

With regrets to Al Franken.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 15, 2006 10:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads mad at God for giving Muslims oil?

>>>Freedom is the ability to listen to the Dead or Rush Limbaugh on your XM radio. Now, how can that not be the greatest country in the world>>>

Listening is great, but it's a narrow range of freedom in town "ever since they tore the jukebox down" -- We can do much better.

Would the greatest country in the world continually commit crimes against humanity, even their own troops? Why a costly war based on false pretense where killing innocents creates rage? Why deny climate change and block alternative energy? And surely there's a place where the Rainbow Family can meet in peace.

Does the greatest country perpetrate systematic torture even though it doesn't yield useful intelligence (see the latest work of Alfred McCoy). If you notice, I'm trying to back up statements with actual facts.

Take a look at "Beyond Treason: The U.S. Government’s Long History of Conducting Deadly Military Experiments." It's a documentary film documenting how the U.S. military has repeatedly conducted deadly medical experiments on American troops, “enemy” soldiers, and civilians. The film discusses vaccines, atomic bomb testing, Agent Orange, depleted uranium, and more.


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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 15, 2006 10:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads mad at God for giving Muslims oil?

And please I'm not saying people can't change. I did, though, as you can tell, not enough.

The point is to aim high, or risk shooting a friend in the face!

We can all learn from Lee Atwater, GOP chairman and Karl Rove's teacher, who repented from dirty tricks (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Atwater):

"Shortly before his death from a brain tumor he said he had converted to Catholicism and, in an act of repentance, issued a number of public and written apologies to individuals whom he had attacked during his political career, including Dukakis. In a letter to Tom Turnipseed dated June 28, 1990, he stated, "It is very important to me that I let you know that out of everything that has happened in my career, one of the low points remains the so called 'jumper cable' episode," adding, "my illness has taught me something about the nature of humanity, love, brotherhood and relationships that I never understood, and probably never would have. So, from that standpoint, there is some truth and good in everything." [2]

In a February 1991 article for Life Magazine, Atwater wrote:

My illness helped me to see that what was missing in society is what was missing in me: a little heart, a lot of brotherhood. The '80s were about acquiring -- acquiring wealth, power, prestige. I know. I acquired more wealth, power, and prestige than most. But you can acquire all you want and still feel empty. What power wouldn't I trade for a little more time with my family? What price wouldn't I pay for an evening with friends? It took a deadly illness to put me eye to eye with that truth, but it is a truth that the country, caught up in its ruthless ambitions and moral decay, can learn on my dime. I don't know who will lead us through the '90s, but they must be made to speak to this spiritual vacuum at the heart of American society, this tumor of the soul."


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Poster: midnight sun Date: Aug 15, 2006 1:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads sad?

the afternoon of 9/11/01 this statement was spoken on news television by an ordinary American citizen on the street;

"It is sad to know that we have allowed ourselves to become so hated by the rest of the world."

notice that sides are not taken, nor reasons identified,
just regret for not putting more effort towards preventing so many misunderstandings

best wishes and heal quickly

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 14, 2006 3:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads mad at Israel?

who ever mentioned being angry at God for giving arabs the oil. In actuality, we have more oil in the west than all of the middle east combined. Unfortunately, it is shale oil and currently very difficult to remove from the shale. However, at this point, the extraction method currenlty available would keep gas prices where they are now. Quite a conundrum we are in.
Of course, if we suddenly stopped buying oil from the middle east, and relied on our shale and argentinian oil, that may disrupt the entire world economy, especially in the middle east - tough to do that with Saudi currently being our friend. Plus, that would put israel in a very difficult position for the obvious reasons that we would not need them anymore if we severley limited our middle east oil consumption.
By the way Spaced - my apologies for going off on you last night. Just kinda stressed with severly broken leg. Took out frustrations on you when you were only trying to add your opinion to the discussion. It is a very complex situation going on, and all of our thoughts are valid and important. I was wrong to take such a vitriolic approach to your thoughts. Was uncalled for.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 14, 2006 3:42pm
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Dire! i thought you were being hacked on today,
Yeah, I have issues too. So-called peace demonstrators in SF pissing and dumping on people, gangs of hooded Hammas looking gentlemen intimidating people. But I too need to be more mellow I admit. Especially at a GD forum.
But some things set me off....reminds me of the CRAP I went thru at Travis Airforce base in '68. Thank gawd for hemp!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 14, 2006 3:53pm
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yeah, i was supposed to be hacked on today. However, my orthopedist (whom i completely trust) felt that the healing was too far along to rebreak and pin etc etc. In one way good, in one way bad. Back in the full leg cast, but he is going to try and get me out of that after a couple of weeks to let my knee free. I have knee problems too and he doesn't want that to get worse. Oh well, docs know best. I was in the hospital, put under, andall, then i woke up to find out he didn't to the surgery - very weird and kina discouraging. Time will tell how things work out. Frustrated as hell, but as long as things work out in the long run - everything is cool.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 13, 2006 4:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

Spaced - i must disagree with you on a few points. Number one - i have read excerpts of Lowewens book, and he is a complete ass and cant even get the facts straight. Our all our kids textbooks accurate?? no = but a damn sight more accurate than other counties. That man is a joke and i defy you to take more than 5 or 6 "inaccuracies" that he mentions (meaningful ones, not the "frilly stuff" that joker mentions.
Violent religious intolerance IS more prevalent in islam. That is fact. Granted, the "people" are "coerced" to believe in violence to propogate the more or less geo-political agenda from their leaders which has NOTHING to do with religion, but land and money. Same as the middle age crusades.
#3 - The "innocent" of the Koresh followers???? Dude, i really hope you are only talking about the kids. Any adult in their right mind had to see through that jackass. If they didn't .... they got what they deserved. If my kids lived around that "place" with those fuckin nut jobs with guns, i would have offed them myself given the chance. you gotta be kidden me making that parallel. There certainly is "collateral damage" - murder is murder??? are you shittin me? If something serves the common good and protects my family.... i'll take collateral damage of some fucking nutjobs any day of the week. and if a few innocents get thrown in to save thousands.... sorry, sounds cold, but i'll take it. I'll give you a reference - Sherman's March - read it and you just may learn a thing or two.
"There's little that radical islam can do to hurt the US" - dude - you have no clue. Talk to the families of 9/11 - being from boston, i know three families that lost people. They would drop you before you could take a second breath after making a statement like that. How dare you - where are you, somewhere nice and cozy like North Dakota where no one give a flyin frig about anyways. Get a grip on reality man. Get off your mother's teat and look at what is going on around us.
Futhermore, "piople have to be trained to overcome instincts against killing other people"????? You can't be serious - you obviously have no anthropological background nor any historical psychological background of the basic human condition. Read up man? - i can't convert you in this thread - but you are seriously misinformed of basic human nature.
Sorry to sound so harsh - but get out of the Grateful Dead's lyrics (i.e. utopian ideal) and look at the real world. Yeah, would it be great to follow their lyrics and/or Jesus' ideal - sure, but it aint happening in this world.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 15, 2006 12:47pm
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Spaced - i must disagree with you on a few points.

>>>Number one - i have read excerpts of Lowewens book, and he is a complete ass and cant even get the facts straight. >>>

I have read it for years, but you don't have facts yourself. Just because the rulers of Russia and China want to rewrite history doesn't mean we can't get our facts straight. White people are not the crown of creation.





>>>Violent religious intolerance IS more prevalent in islam. That is fact. Granted, the "people" are "coerced" to believe in violence to propogate the more or less geo-political agenda from their leaders which has NOTHING to do with religion, but land and money. Same as the middle age crusades.>>>

You don't have any facts, though I know that even a survey would be a large project. You see that politics uses religion, but you fail to acknowledge that the whole world was colonized by the West, and that there is no post colonial but neo-colonialism that the US (and Russia before it fell) inherited from Europe after 2 (fight for control) 'world' wars.



>>>#3 - The "innocent" of the Koresh followers???? Dude, i really hope you are only talking about the kids. Any adult in their right mind had to see through that jackass. If they didn't .... they got what they deserved. >>>

He seemed like a nut job but you don't murder a group of people because they believe in a nutjob. "They got what they deserved" -- wow -- hey I'm not the judge and and am afraid to arrogate that role. They didn't attack anyone and the authorities could have swooped in just for him during his morning jogs.






>>>...i would have offed them myself given the chance. you gotta be kidden me making that parallel. There certainly is "collateral damage" - murder is murder??? ... If something serves the common good and protects my family.... i'll take collateral damage of some fucking nutjobs any day of the week. >>>

Ain't that heaven sent.

Collateral damage is murder -- pure and simple no matter what religion you claim.



>>>"There's little that radical islam can do to hurt the US" - dude - you have no clue. ... How dare you ... Get a grip on reality man. Get off your mother's teat and look at what is going on around us.>>>

I actually believe in self protection, but really keep things in perspective. Our country has killed far more than what we lost, speaking an eye for an eye, and didn't even specifically target the suspected perps. No, we "had" to destroy one country then lie to murder and destroy another that had nothing to to with it.

That's reality and you have to face it because we're all complicit for failing to control our current rulers. The least you can do is hate injustice in your heart. You can find, you just have to poke around.



>>>Futhermore, "piople have to be trained to overcome instincts against killing other people"????? You can't be serious - you obviously have no anthropological background nor any historical psychological background of the basic human condition. Read up man? - i can't convert you in this thread - but you are seriously misinformed of basic human nature.>>>

This is a deadly serious matter. If you become a neocon zombie, sure the dark side hires another soul at the price of hell. Zombies can justify torture and murder all they want but they're often chickenhawks who don't have to live with the memories and nightmares that haunt them in this world and maybe the next. Sending young people into unjust wars without good equipment or after care denigrates the honor of military service.

There's plenty of reading to be done, like of Kagan and of Lt. Col. Dave Grossman's Pulitzer-nominated book, "On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society" (www.killology.com).

That's not to say human nature is all sweetness and light because those Seven Sins are deadly to the soul.



>>>Sorry to sound so harsh - but get out of the Grateful Dead's lyrics (i.e. utopian ideal) and look at the real world. Yeah, would it be great to follow their lyrics and/or Jesus' ideal - sure, but it aint happening in this world.>>>

I was very cynical before meeting Deadheads and seeing the sounds. While my brother was beaten and robbed at Stones shows, I was given roses at GD shows and could leave my stuff on the floor at Kaiser and pick it up untouched. Amazing even apart from the music.

Don't give up on ideals; they lead to reality. I could say more I think it's been said better already. Might just seem vain, but seriously consider Comes A Time, Scarlet>Fire, Stella Blue. This turning the other cheek stuff is all about trying harder, and the prize is paradise and the vision and pleasure of God.





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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 14, 2006 5:18pm
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i have much to reply to you about that post - gotta sober up though after all the anasthesia (sp?) at the hospital. i think you are unguided and wrong in a few assumptions you have made, but i need to have my brain about me to reply. thanks for the good discussion - will talk to you in a bit (or tomorrow morning).
Peace brother spaced.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Aug 15, 2006 1:47pm
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"the prize is paradise and the vision and pleasure of God. "

as is a new set of guitar strings.

ian

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 15, 2006 1:51pm
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especially some Martin Marquis .10-.48 's

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 14, 2006 6:12am
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3 reads waz enough for that rant(i mean mine) itwas420thankgod
now this :) could change some minds over yonder in Moredor.

tolkien now


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Poster: N.Y. JACK Date: Aug 13, 2006 11:09am
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DUDE,
THIS STUFF HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE TIME BEGAN AND ALWAYS WILL, LOOK AT HISTORY. YOU MUST YOUNG.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 13, 2006 12:08pm
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DUDE, LEARN FROM HISTORY OR HISTORY REPEAT!
ARAFAT'S PAPA, BIG HITLER NUTTHUGGER IN WW2. MAYBE ME TOO MUCH VIETNAM 1967-I MUST TOO OLD AND ORNERY-UGH!

(but fortunately, It'll soon be 4:20 in Hong Kong)

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Poster: N.Y. JACK Date: Aug 13, 2006 12:05pm
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I THOUGH THIS SITE WAS ABOUT MUSIC
WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF AND NO ONE ELSE
WHO CARES ABOUT THE WORLD WORRY ABOUT THE CIRCLE AROUND YOU

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 13, 2006 12:11pm
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well said. Music sooths the savage beast. I'll try to keep any political rants to Democracy_Now!
Btw, I'm glad there's a little Dead in Ann Coulter and good ole Al Gore! Now to "turn on" the Mideast....Calling Stan Owsley!

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Poster: N.Y. JACK Date: Aug 13, 2006 12:23pm
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i love ann she tells it like it is